Here's a long read that's well worth the effort.

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
12/18/2019 at 14:34 • Filed to: None

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It’s like dangling a birdcage out the door of an airplane crossing Africa at 36,000 feet, and then trying to divine, from the mangled bodies of insects, what sort of animals roam the savanna.

DISCUSSION (16)

slipperysallylikespenguins > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
12/18/2019 at 14:49

Gotta get materials for all those eco friendly electric cars somewhere. Definitely shouldn’t mess with the oceans though.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
12/18/2019 at 15:13

Asteroid/space mining can’t come soon enough.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
12/18/2019 at 15:21

We’ve already started problems with trash in space

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick)
12/18/2019 at 15:26

We only have one habitable world so far...space is essentially endless. I’d rather we screw things up there than here.

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
12/18/2019 at 15:34

Great read.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti
12/18/2019 at 15:49

It was. Dude was enthusiastic about his subject, and had just a smattering of that Atlantic pith.

DipodomysDeserti > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
12/18/2019 at 20:43

We used to say the same thing about our oceans.

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
12/18/2019 at 20:45

Very well researched and brought in a breadth of knowledge, offering a fairly in depth analysis of the issue. Definitely not fake news.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > DipodomysDeserti
12/19/2019 at 00:22

Last i checked the oceans are in fact part of our only habitable world

DipodomysDeserti > DipodomysDeserti
12/19/2019 at 08:21

DipodomysDeserti > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
12/19/2019 at 08:23

When’s the last time you checked? We’ve been inhabiting space for over half a century now.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > DipodomysDeserti
12/19/2019 at 09:40

habitable world

I was pretty clear about the world part. And “inhabiting” is a bit generous for what we’ve been doing for the last century. It’s more like visiting. Until there is a self sufficient station/colony/base somewhere besides Earth it’s hardly inhabiting

DipodomysDeserti > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
12/19/2019 at 10:06

As I mentioned before, we used to say the same thing about the ocean, which has led to some pretty big problems today.

I’m not trying to be a dick, hard to tell over the internet, but I was just having a discussion about this with a class of students. We were discussing waste disposal, and they proposed shooting it all into space and forgetting about it. I brought up to them that this was the same rationale used for dumping trash in the ocean a mere fifty years ago, a notion that seems completely absurd today. The same idea that the ocean was so vast that it would never affect anything.

We still know very little about our oceans, and we know even less about out solar system. However, the more we learn about natural systems, the more we realize how interconnected everything is.

Our solar system is very much habitable by humans (and probably other organisms), and our world is made up of a lot more than Earth. Nothing we’ve made, even on Earth (or the Earth itself) , is self sufficient. Everything relies on something else.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > DipodomysDeserti
12/19/2019 at 10:19

I get what you’re saying, but t he scale is on such a different level in space that it really is hard to make a comparison. And yes space junk is an issue, but besides the danger it poses to space craft it’s really no different than any other asteroid or meteorite orbiting in space. Is there a lot we don’t know about space? Yes. Is creating more debris a concern? Sure. But for now we all depend on the Earth for survival, until that changes any concerns about “ conserving” space should take a back seat in my opinion.

DipodomysDeserti > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
12/19/2019 at 11:28

Yes, but if we can solve the root problem (we create way too much waste), we won’t have to play the same game over and over again.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > DipodomysDeserti
12/19/2019 at 11:51

we create way too much waste

Completely agree.

Unfortunately the world runs on resources like cobalt, copper, steel, etc and mining will always be a rather destructive process. We should absolutely be holding mining companies more accountable for any environmental impacts they have, but there is also a minimum amount of necessary destruction that goes with any mining operation.

I’d rather we deconstruct an asteroid than a mountain.